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September 17, 2010

We have produced another document in our ongoing communication effort. It contains important notes for your consideration—especially since online forums and social networking sites continue to discuss it.

This document answers questions leveled at some on the Council of Elders about their doctrinal stance.

We hope this further explanation will help allay concerns some have expressed on this subject. The document may be shared.

Sincerely, in Christ’s service,

Dennis Luker, president and Melvin Rhodes, chairman

September 17, 2010 - Posted by | Council of Elders, General Conference of Elders, Home Office, President's Office |

47 Comments »

  1. I am so saddened that these things have to be continually addressed. It seems people will fall in with any kind of gossip. Happily, I have not had to hear any of it and hope not to.

    It is not only the council being attacked unfortunately. Lies have been told about other ministers and church members including myself. I guess we must just regard these things for what they are, tares in the wheat. Those who seem to be righteous, but are there to deceive.

    Prayers go up for those on the council who are being attacked at this time. May the festival days be a time of rest from such things.

    Comment by Lorelei Nettles | September 17, 2010 | Reply

  2. This is all news to me.The manner in which we observe the Sabbath is a private matter.I do know some brethren in the medical field that have ultimately chosen to work on the Sabbath which is between them and God. Driving on the Sabbath is not an issue as is the pharasitical “Sabbath Days Journey”anciently.The topic of eating out on the Sabbath is most often done or the alternative picnic lunch by those who disagree. The command is to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.The sabbath is already holy. a All we can do is to honor God on the Sabbath day. Any list of do’s and don’ts reminds us of the saduscees and phareeses of christ day who were self righteous over their ability to avoid a knat while swallowing a camel.Legislation on this issue beyond the command is the wrong path.Christ and John the Bapist, and Paul had issues with the religious leaders in their time. The Sabbath issue and Acts 15 is a case in point about circumcision and the Jews trying to undermine the Church of God.The Church of God is not an offshoot of Judahism as some of these issues smitten of…. must pick up an interprise rental car before the Sabbath/Attonement. to be continued…..
    Jim on the Hill

    Comment by Jim Lapp | September 17, 2010 | Reply

  3. ¿Donde esta la traduccion si el tema es para los que hablamos español, el traductor en linea no traduce correctamente. cómo puede ser esto,hay sufisiente dinero pra gastar en produccion de programas en EEUU. y no tienen como traducir para sus hermanos en latino america?como es eso posible!Hay ministros que hablan perfectamente el español.piensen un poco en nosotros.
    sinceramente.

    Comment by gabriel | September 17, 2010 | Reply

    • Tranquilo Gabriel, las traducciones las haran. Estoy segura, sino voy a ver si puedo yo hacerla para ti. Se que tienes celo por la verdad de Dios, pero No hay que dejar que las pasiones humanas nos ganen. Te mando un abrazo fuerte para vos y tu familia. Y que tengas una inspiradora y renovadora Fiesta de Expiacion.

      Comment by Inobel | September 17, 2010 | Reply

    • gabriel cuanto es tu apellido

      Comment by daniel deltransito | October 10, 2010 | Reply

  4. I am surprised nothing has been posted here yet about this, but can someone pls. help me understand this – is this paper condoning working on the Sabbath? As far as I am concerned, the Sabbath is the Sabbath is the Sabbath – it does not become more or less the Sabbath, regardless…if it’s 1 minute after Sundown, or 1 hour after Sundown, it’s God’s time. At least, that is my understanding. If I’m wrong in my interpretation of how to observe the 7 Day, please correct me.
    In Christian love,

    Comment by Michelle Rothwell | September 17, 2010 | Reply

    • Michelle (and anyone else who has these questions),

      The paper clearly demonstrates, from the testimony of the Riogs themselves, that they kept the Sabbath and Holy Days, making sure to leave work early enough (over half an hour before sunset) to arrive home and prepare for the Sabbath. However, occasionally businesses owned by members must remain open on the Sabbath for various legal reasons (as is the case with the Roig’s daycare center and school). As the Roigs do not work themselves, do not direct work on the Sabbath or Holy Days, and do not profit from work done on the Sabbath or Holy Days, they themselves are not breaking the Sabbath. It’s not too complicated.

      In Christian love,

      Comment by Nathan Albright | September 17, 2010 | Reply

      • that was a very clear explanation Nathan. It has been the understanding and advice in the church for many years. Don’t know why they get stuck on the Roig’s daycare (or school?) issue. I hope each of us are able to see our own personal issues before to focus on someone’s else

        Comment by Inobel | September 17, 2010 | Reply

    • Ms Rothwell you have missed the point. The family made arrangements every time this was an issue so that they wouldn’t be on the job even one minute after sundown, nor collect 1 cent from their business on the Sabbath. Thankfully God is our ultimate judge and not men because he looks on the heart…and from every indication the family tried very hard for many years to work with the situation in a way that would be pleasing to God. Let Him be their judge. It is a situation that is difficult for most people to fully understand who do not live in a country that has laws such as Chile does. P.S. – Why was this never a problem for the local pastor until recently? Very curious.

      Comment by Laney | September 17, 2010 | Reply

      • Oh dear, I did not mean to come across as judgmental. I am certainly not trying to focus on someone else’s “personal issues”. There are indeed laws similar to those here in the US, my family owns a business, but perhaps they are not as strictly enforced? My concern was more with the churches stance on the issue. So sorry if I have offended.

        Comment by Michelle Rothwell | September 17, 2010 | Reply

  5. Ah, Thank you for your response, tho, I don’t know that I would agree with “it’s not too complicated”

    Comment by Michelle Rothwell | September 17, 2010 | Reply

  6. Nathan,
    You are wrong. Why not close the business and deal with the consequences as others have done for obeying God since the time of Able? We should obey God rather them men.
    “…But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates” Seem clear to me.

    Comment by Lou Ball | September 17, 2010 | Reply

    • I agree with you, I hope my opinion would not be delated, this is a publication bias.

      Comment by Cinthya | September 17, 2010 | Reply

    • Mr. Ball,
      My thoughts exactly! Thank you for your comment.

      Comment by Charlene R. | September 17, 2010 | Reply

    • I agree 100% The example of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednigo also come to mind.

      Comment by Michelle Rothwell | September 17, 2010 | Reply

    • Lou,
      You have pronounced Nathan wrong. However you have not stated how the Sabbath is being broken. Nathan gives a clear, simple explantation. The paper is long and detailed. Where is your?

      The scripture you quote is not in question. It is the application of that scripture and many others that there needs to be a BALANCED understanding of. Anyone can make a three second analysis and judgment by not considering all the facts.

      Taking your quote of scripture let’s consider a couple of other questions with a narrow, instant analysis and see where your line of reasoning takes us.

      Your son or daughter lives in your home. They do not keep the Sabbath. They are 23 years old. If we follow the logic expressed then throw them out of the house and deal with the consequences. After all they clearly lie within list of people the scripture you quoted says you are expected to have keep the Sabbath!

      Your non-member mate doesn’t keep the Sabbath. Hmmm. Seems clear to me! You are in clear violation of the quoted scripture! Get rid of them. After all, many have had to give up mates, jobs, etc. to pursue God’s way of life!

      Is that enough?

      Back to my first question. Please explain to us exactly how did the people involved “break” the Sabbath?

      The Council has a difficult job. They have to take the time to carefully consider all the scriptures before rendering a well thought out decision.

      They need our prayers. It is a very difficult job that requires a lot of wisdom and hard work.

      Comment by Gary | September 17, 2010 | Reply

      • Gary, regretably the article is biased – which doesn’t necessarily mean though that Council Members are about to do away with the Sabbath. Not once does it quote Ex 20 as Lou Ball does, where the principle is particularly clear that an employer is responsible for ensuring that his/her employees are able to keep the Sabbath. If on those days that the centre remains open beyond Sunset, and presumably staffed by employees, even if the owners themselves keep the Sabbath, then by Ex 20 the owners are nevertheless responsible for their employees breach of the Sabbath command.

        There’s no obligation to throw out of your house 23 year old children who are independent adults in their own rights and are responsible for their own decisions. But parents clearly have obligations to ensure their non independent children comply with the Sabbath laws.

        Furthermore your proposal to get rid of a non member mate contradicts I Cor 7:12.

        Have to say that it sounds as though you view the Sabbath as an onerous / restrictive obligation. That’s a shame. Did you grow up in the church missing out on doing lots of things on the Sabbath? I see obedience to the Sabbath command as something joyful, because God is obligated to bless my family as a result of our obedience.

        Comment by David | October 5, 2010 | Reply

      • Hi David,
        I found your reply interesting.
        First observation. You seem to have completely missed the points I was trying to make. First is that this situation is fairly complex and needs to be carefully reviewed before reaching a conclusion. Second is that narrow thinking and judgmental attitudes lead to wrong conclusions. Third. We need to pray for the wisdom and courage of the leadership who have to discern the Godly actions to be taken. Fourth. We need to carefully listen to them when they have reached a conclusion.
        Second observation. You proclaim others to be biased . . . without offering any proof. Hmmm? Does that mean you consider yourself unbiased?
        Let’s check your message and see if you what you say projects an unbiased attitude and objective approach. Your last paragraph tells much. You speculate, “Have to say that it sounds as though you view the Sabbath as an onerous / restrictive obligation.” Then jump to a conclusion, “That’s a shame.” That simply does NOT come across as unbiased nor does it come across as objective.
        Next, you speculate again, “Did you grow up in the church missing out on doing lots of things on the Sabbath?” Clearly you know nothing about me, my background nor my attitude toward the Sabbath. I simply haven’t stated it nor indicated it.
        Third observation. Where do you get your opinion about 23 year old children? What in Ex 20 brings you to that opinion? Ex 20 explicitly states the Sabbath applies to all “that live within your gates.” This command is not just for employers. It is for all that are listed there. No exemptions are listed in this scripture. The command applies equally to all that are listed whether they are employees, household servants, children, etc. So from the perspective of those who desire a strict interpretation and adherence to this scripture (for those who are employers), how do you justify your conclusion about children and mates? (NOTE!!!! I have not agreed OR disagreed with your conclusion!)
        If you will carefully reread what I wrote in response to Lou’s post you will note my purpose was to encourage him to rethink the issue in order to come to a BALANCED understanding.
        Is that important to God?
        Let’s let Jesus Christ answer. Christ was faced with an accusation that his disciples had broken the Sabbath by plucking and eating grain. The people who accused would surely have quoted Ex 20 and added the examples of the Israelites who went out looking for manna and were pronounced wrong by God. Christ’s answer was, “But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ YOU WOULD NOT HAVE CONDEMNED (to pronounce guilty) THE GUILTLESS.” Jesus Christ, our Savior, the one who died for you and I and those under discussion, says there are situations that appear to break the Sabbath (as defined by some) but they are not breaking the Sabbath. In fact Christ says they are “GUILTLESS”.
        I do not want to stand before God and Christ being told I am guilty of blaming someone for wrongdoing with Christ opposing me and saying they are blameless. Do you?
        This brings me back to my point with Lou. Can you tell us exactly how the people in question have broken the Sabbath? I can’t.
        That is why people with experience are needed who will carefully examine all aspects to determine how this is best handled.

        This is the best way to seek peace.

        Comment by Gary Jacques | October 14, 2010 | Reply

  7. Let me add another example out of scripture.

    Ancient Israel under King David kept the Sabbath. He was a man after God’s own heart. Yet Jerusalem and the nation was guarded 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, every day of the year.

    In modern times, during Mr. Armstrong’s administration, the Pasadena campus and headquarter’s offices were guarded continuously in the same way.

    This is an excellent example of people who don’t have sufficient facts to form an objective opinion. They jump to conclusions. Then they spread their misunderstanding far and wide. Most of us have done this at one point or another in our lives (at least a few times). We are to learn from the experience of being shown that we are just plain wrong and stop the ungodly behaivor. (It is an interesting Bible study to search out what God thinks of people who do this. He is not happy with this behavior.)

    We are to learn to discern. (Heb 5:14) And this is a good opporunity to do just that.

    Comment by Gary | September 17, 2010 | Reply

    • Gary- your reply brought back some memories from my days in Big Sandy in the early-mid 80’s. The campus WAS guarded 24/7. But during the Sabbath it was staffed by volunteers. Students were stationed in the booth out front and the car was driven by men from the local congregation. As a side note, I always enjoyed the 3-7 am shift out in the booth. We had no shortage of student volunteers. We were glad to help at no pay.

      Also, the kitchen had to be staffed in order to feed the students. Each dorm took turns and was supervised by one of the regular kitchen personnel. It had to be that way or probably kitchen would have caught on fire( just kidding). As I recall, the food was prepped the night before.

      These were things that had to be done, but they were done at the absolute barest minimum. And when you had 10-20 students working, cleanup went REAL fast. There really wasn’t much involved.

      At no time did I feel like I was breaking the Sabbath and I believe that my fellow students felt the same way.

      Comment by Kevin Hadley | September 20, 2010 | Reply

    • Thanks Kevin for the clarification.

      I agree with your conclusion that there was no breaking of the Sabbath.

      The principles that underlie these decisions apply to situations far beyond the church and Big Sandy practices. They apply to those who have business and must maintain some kind of minimal employee presence like guards, answering services, etc. These will vary greatly depending on the circumstances being faced.

      This issue is clearly covered in scripture. Those living in biblical times were living in an agrarian society. On the Sabbath they had to take care of animals, do necessary chores, etc. If you have ever lived or worked on a farm, you would understand that hard work is involved in these things. However, for the Sabbath, these things are kept at a minimum.

      Consider also, that the church sought volunteers to do the things you mentioned. However, if any individual or business sought “volunteers” to do various tasks for the business, they would run afoul of state and federal law. Employment law requires that people who do tasks for a business get paid. They are considered employees. Period. To violate that law is to run the risk of incurring severe fines and possibly jail time. So, even though people volunteered to cover responsibilities for the church, they were still doing a task that ordinarily one would be paid for. That means they were “working”. It would be no different than a business seeking to have people “volunteer” to guard a business on the Sabbath – except that it is illegal.

      Yet we both agree that those who were volunteering in Big Sandy were not breaking the Sabbath.

      My point has been and continues to be that this issue is not a subject that lends itself to a quick view and quick decision to be right in the sight of God.

      The real issue we need to keep in mind is that ultimately God knows who is really keeping the Sabbath and who is not. We have God’s promise that He will deal with them. God will keep His promise.

      Again, let’s pray together that our leaders be given the wisdom and courage to see and follow God in this. Let’s also pray that God’s called and chosen have the open heart and mind to hear and follow.

      Additionally, let’s pray that all on both sides will seek peace.

      Comment by Gary Jacques | October 14, 2010 | Reply

  8. #2 continued….
    No one believes with any credability that the people on the board of Elders are closet liberals. The Beyond Today programe on WGN is THINK BIG! Youth camps are THINK BIG!the “Middle East in Prophecy”booklet is THINK BIG! Pastoring churches in distant lands is THINK BIG! Closet Liberals/progressives talk to the walls. The “Beyond Today” material is to the point and doctrinal and not soft serve icecream to sooth the pallets of the spiritually starving.For sure the council of Elders approves these messages. We have no indicatation that the council of Elders seek to change the Sabbath and High Days while supporting “Beyond Today” programes that teach these besides sponsoring feast sites. The reputation of former and current leaders have not been tarnished. Christ did say that his servants reputations would suffer like the master of all… Christ.. or you are none of his. The work of the ministry has tried many approaches to do a work. Radio,TV,magazines,public meetings,Soap Boxes,Meeting world Leaders,Young Ambassadors,Innernet,Big Colleges,Systamatic Theology Project, an auditorium dedicated to the “Great God”….Some fly…. Some crash! Satan has his work of “Wearing out the Saints”. We have not heard a wimper from anyone “Rusting Out” which would be worse than a tarnished reputation. We have been in the church for over 40 years and have had Sabbath trials with military court martials,Employment trials,Children difficulty,illiness,difficulties with sherif ministers who used the pulpet like a weapons platform..Reputations come with longevity in the church and are to be cherrished with rejoicing that you are accounted worthy to suffer as Christ did.”Don’t Worry…
    Everything is going to be Awful”.
    Jim on the Hill

    Comment by Jim Lapp | September 17, 2010 | Reply

    • If there are “closet liberals” on the council, then why won’t anyone NAME them, point out some sermon or article they have written. I attend a congregation who is pastored by what I view as one of the most conservative ministers I have ever run across and he hasn’t seen anything of the sort. And believe me, if something like this was happening, he would be the first to make note of it.

      Comment by Kevin Hadley | September 20, 2010 | Reply

  9. You have to be kidding me. Have we actually become so full of judgmental people, who think they have to worry about how others worship God and keep the Sabbath, that it had to become a whole paper?

    Doesn’t the bible say to “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling”? How about if we worry about our own relationships with God and how we keep the Sabbath personally and let others worry about themselves?

    After reading the paper, it read to me as if this family is doing what they ought: they aren’t being paid for having their business open on the Holy Days. It’s as if they don’t own their business those days; their employees do. Sounds to me like it’s as good as it can get in the situation. It’s really nobody else’s business. Each of us has to answer to God individually, not collectively.

    Comment by Susan Durnil | September 17, 2010 | Reply

    • Apparently so when it comes to judgmental people.

      In my opinion when adding up all the CoG sites and blogs out there, it seems to be structured in such a fashion that some CoG blogs watch other CoG more than they watch themselves.

      However after reading some of them, I do ask myself whether the leadership from the UCG may be doing more to show brotherly love than some other views of their behavior are willing to give them credit for?

      Comment by Norbert | September 18, 2010 | Reply

      • I would imagine so. I’ve never checked out any other church’s blog, so I have no idea what they say about us, but I doubt that we say the same things about them (or I hope not).

        Comment by Susan Durnil | September 18, 2010 | Reply

      • Susan,

        As James writes, “For in many things we all offend.” But in my opinion, despite the doctrinal differences, both the UCG and LCG are doing good. However being falible people as we are prone to making mistakes in relationships, individual experiences in both organizations may vary.

        Comment by Norbert | September 18, 2010 | Reply

  10. The Family in Chile has been doing the same thing with they care center all this years, and keeping God’s sabbath and holy days. Why brings this matter today?? I see it as an excuse for personal interest from the people that went out of UCG to keep the people with them.
    Jesus did good on the sabbath, but at the pharisees eye, He was breaking the sabbath. Lets think about it.

    Comment by Jhon Alvarado | September 18, 2010 | Reply

  11. Favor enviar ambas traducciones
    ESPERO QUE TODO ESTO SE RESUELVA. DIOS NOS ESCUCHE PRONTO

    Comment by elisa | September 18, 2010 | Reply

  12. “To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.” (Titus 1:15-16)

    Please don’t let all the accusations discourage you. They say much more about the people making them than they do about you. Keep up the excellent work.

    Comment by Bev P. | September 18, 2010 | Reply

  13. Thank you for this information. This makes the situation more understandable and fills in missing important information that was left out of reports found elsewhere. We must pray for each other because Satan is the accuser of the brethren.

    Comment by Ken | September 18, 2010 | Reply

    • It appears that my previous comments must have struck a nerve—as they have been removed. I guess trying to get at the truth must be hurting someone. I wonder how long this one will last?

      Comment by Jerry Wright | September 20, 2010 | Reply

  14. If you have not already done so, you might like to read the UCG papers on this topic that are found in February 2003 issue of United News.

    http://www.ucg.org/un/un0302/sabbath.htm

    http://www.ucg.org/un/un0302/sabletters.htm

    Comment by lyn | September 19, 2010 | Reply

    • Thank you for posting this link. The article makes an excellent point that maidservants and manservants cannot be equated with employees. The article also shows how members should not open businesses on the Sabbath or Holydays, but recognizes that in some few instances certain things are outside of the control of the business owner.

      Comment by Laney | September 19, 2010 | Reply

    • I have to admit that these papers confused me even more. On the one hand, an employee is not a manservant or maidservant, yet on the other hand we should reconsider if our businesses require us to be open during a holy day.

      Specifically, “We cannot force unbelieving employees to rest on the Sabbath, but we should not hire them to labor for us on that day.” Yet, isn’t this a contradiction of “On Holy Days, the business relies on non-member employees to care for the children”?

      Please note that I’m not judging the couple in question. I don’t know them, nor do I think any of this is really fair to them. I’m sure they did what they thought was best under the circumstances. However, I keep asking myself, “What would I do in this case?” I honestly don’t know.

      All these papers don’t seem to line up very well.

      Comment by John D Carmack | September 20, 2010 | Reply

  15. After looking at the situation that led up to the feeling that this needed to be addressed, the contents of the paper itself, and the way people commenting on it are addressing one another, you can’t help but come to one simple conclusion: our adversary is very, very good at what he does.

    We see leaders set against one another, members against leaders, and now members against members. Let’s all be careful to not become unwitting tools in our adversary’s hands, for he is constantly seeking whom he may devour. That applies to ALL of us, no matter which view we take on this matter.

    Let us choose our words carefully, for we will have to give account of them before Christ. Let us choose a path where our God will say we were peacemakers, rather than those who used their words to beat their fellow servants while their master was away. Rebuke is painful, but I hope all of us are able to receive it and grow, rather than seeking to justify what we do.

    Comment by Peace Maker | September 19, 2010 | Reply

    • ¡¡WELL SAID!! PEACE MAKER. IT’S BETTER FOR ALL OF US TO PRACTICE WHAT OUR SAME LEADERS HAVE TAUGHT US ALL THESE YEARS IN ATENDING SERVICES. “THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT” That’s ALL, AND KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF OUR GOD.

      Comment by William López | September 20, 2010 | Reply

    • I’m so sad… Please pray for us all! Only God can save us.

      Comment by Heather | September 20, 2010 | Reply

  16. From the link in United News http://www.ucg.org/un/un0302/sabbath.htm

    Can someone help reconcile the new paper on the Sabbath just released in the article by Dave Myers in United News.

    Here is a quote from the article that sums it up nicely.

    “It is clear that God did not want regular work to go on during the holy time of the Sabbath. He did not want His people to continue regular business through others—even if those workers are currently unconverted. Therefore, He commanded that children, slaves, animals and even foreigners not be compelled to work in our place. “But the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you” (Deuteronomy 5:14, NASB).

    In Leviticus 23:3, we are told, “For six days work may be done; but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwellings” (NASB). The biblical principle seems clear: as much as possible the Sabbath should be a “complete rest” from our normal working or secular activities.

    The overriding principle is that we are to show respect and honor toward God by respecting and hallowing the time He set aside as holy. This cessation from work and respect for holy time was—and continues to be—an example of our respect for God as our Master and Creator.”

    Comment by Bryan | September 24, 2010 | Reply

    • Can anyone tell me why my posts are deleted? I Just want that remember Daniel 6 says something about of keeping our principles over all things.

      Comment by Edgar Navarro | October 5, 2010 | Reply

      • Maybe this forum isn’t really for discussion, in spite of it being a blog. I for one don’t know why comments are even turned on. I also don’t know what I said that was so offensive as to remove my comments, nor do I know who to ask.

        Comment by John D Carmack | October 5, 2010 | Reply

    • Another part of the principle that can be overlooked is also scripturally quoted in that article,

      “Matthew 5:19 states: “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Can we see that employing others to work while we rest is a confusing contradiction?”

      That scripture also creates a dilemma in how to apply the principle of keeping the Sabbath holy. Whoever breaks one of the lesser commandments and teaches men so are “included” in the kingdom of heaven.

      The scriptures are clear cut about certain types of behavior and those who call themself a brother (1 Cor 5:11). But what about this case that is happenning in Chile?
      Is this principle enough that people who do things like eat at restaurants during the Sabbath, should they be shown the door?

      Should they be disfellowshipped? I imagine any such thing would have a lot to do with the attitudes within each person directly involved. In each particular case such as whether it is being used to cause division or not.

      Comment by Norbert | October 7, 2010 | Reply

  17. It’s clear for who understand truth: ” But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.”

    Comment by Juan Perez | October 6, 2010 | Reply

  18. Matthew 5/19 has been misunderstood. To be called least in the kingdom of heaven for teaching someone to sin doesn’t mean that that individual will be in the kingdom. Likewise them who keep and teach the commandments will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. QUESTION…How do we keep the Sabbath day? Do we only go to Sabbath services as the only exclusive way to keep the Sabbath? What about those on a long journey, the prisoner,or the soldier? The ship or Aircraft is moving. The prisoner and the soldier is not released. Likewise we are moving thru time in “Satans world” under his jurisdiction. The “Good news magazine” had an article about eating out on the Sabbath which was good. The manner in which we keep the Sabbath is a private thing between us and God. The vail of the Temple was torn when Christ said “It is Finished”. Individually we now can talk to God the Father directly.That is only what matters! The command is to remember the Sabbath day and to keep it holy. Eating out on the Sabbath is the way to promote fellowship and love. The Sabbath is not difficult to understand. By having man made guide lines sounds Jewish.The Jews have a book entilled “The Code of Jewish Laws” of the oral traditions handed down by the learned rabbis from the time when [as the story goes]an angel wispered into Moses ear. Yes… secret knowledge… not in the Torah! The “United Church of God” needs understanding and not another Talmud…Gemara…or a Mishnah.
    Galatians 3/1-3 O foolish Galatians who has bewitched you?…../2 This only would I learn from you. Did you receive the Spirit by the works of law or by the hearing of faith? /3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the spirit and now made perfect in the flesh?

    Comment by Jim Lapp | October 7, 2010 | Reply

  19. I see, my comments get deleted, however happy Gary’s up there get to stay…..

    Comment by Joe | October 9, 2010 | Reply

  20. como me gustaria saber lo que se comenta aqui en esta pagina que opinan todos estos hermanos, y cual es el tema de controversia me gustaria saber pero nome preocupa saben uds. hermanos cuantos sabados yo falte a los servicios del sabado como 3 o como cuatros sabados al año , eso significa que se todo lo que oaso o casi todo . lo que paso en chile lo tengo superclaro … saben cuantos sabados no fue jesucristo a los servicios del sabado en chile NINGUNO o algun angel se quedo dormido y no supo lo que paso . no lo creo todo lo sabe DIOS todo lo escucho todo lo vio , DIOS sabe lo mas profundo que yo puede ocultar . yo no se ingles ni portugues ni frances pero DIOS confundio las lenguas el conoce todos los idiomas . haste lee los labios . creo que lo hace asique todo esta ya bien solo que como humanos no nos damos cuenta lo que esta haciendo DIOS . DIOS NOS SALVE A TODOS EL NO QUIERE QUE NINGUNO SE PIERDA DE LOS QUE LLAMO ……… PARA SU PROPOSITO ……..

    Comment by daniel deltransito | October 10, 2010 | Reply

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